tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8993773.post7994053272841278727..comments2023-10-26T06:07:33.593-07:00Comments on The Sidetrack: The Hall of Shamecraig41http://www.blogger.com/profile/06409161182886514439noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8993773.post-87675112472699338812008-07-14T18:54:00.000-07:002008-07-14T18:54:00.000-07:00Ryan, when my children wind up in law school, as I...Ryan, when my children wind up in law school, as I'm sure several of them will, I would hope they don't suffer the handicap of studying under a blockhead like you.RudiZinkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16419208662453737806noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8993773.post-73852137771390750882008-07-14T18:43:00.000-07:002008-07-14T18:43:00.000-07:00Read this, Jason. speaking from the position of a...Read this, Jason. speaking from the position of a mucky-muck in Weber county GOP politics, with a fairly extensive backgound in national GOP politics over the past 30 years, this is what MANY of the hard-core paleo-Republicans in the GOP rank and file believe now:<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://activepaper.olivesoftware.com:80/Repository/ml.asp?Ref=U1NFLzIwMDgvMDcvMTMjQXIwMDcwMw==&Mode=Gif&Locale=RudiZinkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16419208662453737806noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8993773.post-84290018232984060272008-07-14T11:49:00.000-07:002008-07-14T11:49:00.000-07:00While I wouldn't have worded it so harshly, Rudi, ...While I wouldn't have worded it so harshly, Rudi, Ryan has made the point I planned to make already (often our commenters are quicker than the staff).<BR/><BR/>While I agree with the basic "gist" of the argument you are reaching to make here, it is irrelevant, and you have completely missed the entire point of the FISA battle.<BR/><BR/>And just to point it out again, you earlier asserted that if Jason Thehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15518866228386927143noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8993773.post-58023087174702191352008-07-14T11:20:00.000-07:002008-07-14T11:20:00.000-07:00"Zink", you're an idiot. Breaking ranks with the ..."Zink", you're an idiot. Breaking ranks with the Senator/candidate on this issue, and the ensuing dialog is exactly what IS going to get Obama elected. Go figure a Republican wouldn't understand that. You guys are trained/taught to not question. As someone above mentioned, it's the "perpetual campaign" mentality the GOP has turned into religion. Implying that disagree with the candidate willAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8993773.post-59307242151238532772008-07-14T10:01:00.000-07:002008-07-14T10:01:00.000-07:00"It was a calculated and shrewdly political decisi..."It was a calculated and shrewdly political decision on his part (as Jason said earlier, he [Obama]gained or broke even more than he lost, in terms of number of voters), and it gave him opportunity to squelch the last angle McCain may have been able to use." <BR/><BR/>Exactly right, Ryan; and that's of course my whole point.<BR/><BR/>Obama played it smart; unlike the leagues of American RudiZinkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16419208662453737806noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8993773.post-70979652250359128192008-07-11T02:11:00.000-07:002008-07-11T02:11:00.000-07:00Also, both of you may want to take a look at Georg...Also, both of you may want to take a look at Georgetown Law Professor Marty Lederman's comments on the new FISA bill (Jason, for more info on just how far this goes, Rudi, it explains clearly just how wrong you are about the new FISA leg. being just an extension of "common law" notions).<BR/><BR/>http://balkin.blogspot.com/2008/07/al-qaeda-on-speed-dial.htmlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8993773.post-39820792112368525032008-07-11T02:01:00.000-07:002008-07-11T02:01:00.000-07:00Jason, I always get a chuckle at your ability to s...Jason, I always get a chuckle at your ability to sound so nice while being such a complete asshole.<BR/><BR/>But right he is, Rudi. I have studied and instructed law (not by choice always, believe me) for the past 9 years, and your understanding of it is, at best, vague.<BR/><BR/>This issue is much larger than one election. THis vote was a step toward institutionalized fascism. Obama will Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8993773.post-16897953675300646162008-07-11T00:15:00.000-07:002008-07-11T00:15:00.000-07:00Rudi,Huh? I don't know where you have dusted off t...Rudi,<BR/><BR/>Huh? I don't know where you have dusted off this incomplete understanding of law, but you could not be more "off." I don't say that as an insult, but merely to be blunt. Educate yourself on these matters before beginning a discussion, because you may have something to offer the debate, and it is impossible to give you credibility when you miss the mark by so far in the very Jason Thehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15518866228386927143noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8993773.post-77765928934307215152008-07-10T22:39:00.000-07:002008-07-10T22:39:00.000-07:00"Yes, it allows telecoms to raise "color of law" i..."Yes, it allows telecoms to raise "color of law" immunity as an affirmative, threshhold defense. And yes, that means the telecoms very likely will never be held to account for violations of FISA."<BR/><BR/>Hate to break it to ya's Craig. The "good faith color of law affirmative defense" also exists under "common law."<BR/><BR/>It's an affirmative defense that already exists for telcom civil RudiZinkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16419208662453737806noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8993773.post-55749101687202427312008-07-10T22:28:00.000-07:002008-07-10T22:28:00.000-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.RudiZinkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16419208662453737806noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8993773.post-54717757921527049342008-07-10T08:47:00.000-07:002008-07-10T08:47:00.000-07:00rudi - in the diary it says: In terms of constitut...rudi - in the diary it says: <I>In terms of constitutional safeguards, the current FISA bill is a non-issue. Yes, it allows telecoms to raise "color of law" immunity as an affirmative, threshhold defense. And yes, that means the telecoms very likely will never be held to account for violations of FISA.</I><BR/><BR/>Yes it is important to protect the 4th amendment, but so is holding people (and craig41https://www.blogger.com/profile/06409161182886514439noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8993773.post-86058519822419612442008-07-10T06:38:00.000-07:002008-07-10T06:38:00.000-07:00Ah c'mon guys. Give me a little credit. Just bec...Ah c'mon guys. Give me a little credit. Just because I haven't been feverishly blogging about the issue (for the last 9 months) it doesn't mean I fail to understand the issues. The principle Jason and so many other lefties (and many righties) have been fighting for is borne of the highest ideal - the sanctity of the fourth amendment. Nothing could be more obvious. And Jason and all other RudiZinkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16419208662453737806noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8993773.post-6353147329229499522008-07-10T00:09:00.000-07:002008-07-10T00:09:00.000-07:00In Rudizink's defense, Jason, I don't think he's b...In Rudizink's defense, Jason, I don't think he's been following this closely enough to understand your experience and involvement with the FISA battle. I mean I get what he's trying to say, but it really isn't relevant what so ever to what The SideTrack and others are/were working for in their criticism of Matheson. It's not that you're wrong, Rudi, you just are not following along closely Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8993773.post-58694574443924553612008-07-09T23:00:00.000-07:002008-07-09T23:00:00.000-07:00Rudizink,I believe you misunderstand. I did read ...Rudizink,<BR/><BR/>I believe you misunderstand. I did read the article. While it is an accurate assessment (for the most part) of the intricacies of the FISA court, surveillance, and even the various agencies involved, it is irrelevant to my objections to the granting of retro-active immunity for AT&T and Verizon. This issue is without a doubt devoid of the nuances you would like to portray. Jason Thehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15518866228386927143noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8993773.post-28598386345371260612008-07-09T22:17:00.000-07:002008-07-09T22:17:00.000-07:00That's nice. Take a breather and read the article,...That's nice. Take a breather and read the article, ferchrissake.<BR/><BR/>The situation's a lot more nuanced and complicated than some of you lefties seem to think... methinks.<BR/><BR/>(Glad to hear, BTW, that you apparently share our view about <EM>"Son of Perdition"</EM> Godfrey.)<BR/><BR/>I'll check back later to confirm that you've at least taken a look at the above-linked DAily Kos article.RudiZinkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16419208662453737806noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8993773.post-53226692724944355672008-07-09T21:54:00.000-07:002008-07-09T21:54:00.000-07:00Rudizink,I appreciate your addition to the debate,...Rudizink,<BR/><BR/>I appreciate your addition to the debate, but there is a bit more than "political theater" going on here, and to dust it off as such is extremely naive. And considering your (much justified, I might ad) distaste for Ogden Mayor Godfrey, I am surprised that you would find the FISA issue simply humorous, and not infuriating. Back door dealings seem to be something you rally Jason Thehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15518866228386927143noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8993773.post-19403507827528573712008-07-09T21:39:00.000-07:002008-07-09T21:39:00.000-07:00I'll have to confess that it provides me, as a lif...I'll have to confess that it provides me, as a lifelong warhorse Republican, a considerable amount of amusement, as I watch all the lefties in the Utah blogoshere lash out at their own party (and Barrack Obama) re the FISA matter.<BR/><BR/>Here's a Daily Kos article I believe all of you Utah lefties ought to consider:<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/6/26/62819/0991/926/542170RudiZinkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16419208662453737806noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8993773.post-92190531934518343382008-07-09T21:28:00.000-07:002008-07-09T21:28:00.000-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.RudiZinkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16419208662453737806noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8993773.post-22957385581584194322008-07-09T20:34:00.000-07:002008-07-09T20:34:00.000-07:00Though he did support this bill on June 20th, Math...Though he did support this bill on June 20th, Matheson is a congressman, not a senator, making it nearly impossible for his name to be on that list.<BR/><BR/>Thanks for playing!Jason Thehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15518866228386927143noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8993773.post-15727413959578709212008-07-09T19:37:00.000-07:002008-07-09T19:37:00.000-07:00I bet it pisses you off that Matheson isn't on tha...I bet it pisses you off that Matheson isn't on that list.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com